it's clear that it's hurting consumer confidence, business confidence. we have to remove this specter. the debt ceiling has been raised dozens of times over the last couple decades. it has to be raised again. again, let's remember what we're talking about here. >> reporter: now, fredricka, again, the word that you hear here is "hopeful," but it's cautious optimism. a lot of people pointing out to other times throughout this entire debate over the last few months, in particular over the july fourth weekend, when some believed that they were very close to getting a deal. and the deal did not happen. what's different this time, obviously, is that we're up against this very short deadline of august 2nd. the hope, again, is that they can get something worked out in time. again, no meetings planned yet at the white house. i asked one democratic official close to these negotiations if there was anything on the calendar for the president to come out for any briefings. i was told by this official, all things are possible. nothing on the schedule.